Tonight! |
(1980) |
"Rock and
roll has always been this joy, this certain happiness that is in its way the
most beautiful thing in life. But rock is also about hardness and coldness and
being alone ... I finally got to the place where I realized life had paradoxes,
a lot of them, and you've got to live with them."
Bryan: With me as always is Bryant – hello, Bryant.
Bryant: I haven’t been fired and replaced with a robot yet?!? Surprising, but I appreciate the magnanimity!
Bryan: My magnanimity is second only to my modesty. It's common enough to see The River listed alongside Tusk, The Wall, Tommy, Physical Graffiti as one of the great all-time double albums in rock. I’m not sure if it tops my own personal list – you’ve got to get up pretty early to knock The White Album off its perch and I probably prefer at least a couple of the just-mentioned to The River – but what say you?
Bryant: I’m not terribly knowledgeable about Fleetwood Mac or The Who, but yeah, The Wall and the White Album both would get the nod over this for me. Not that it need be a competition. If it WAS, Dylan’s Blonde On Blonde might be my personal pick. The River is awfully good, though; you’re probably nuts if you don’t love all of these.
Bryan: Agreed. I noticed you deliberately did not italicize the White Album, which is undoubtedly correct, as it's only the colloquial name for The Beatles (1968). But, if anyone out there feels more comfortable italicizing it, don't let us stop you.
Bryant: We’ve got a double-album-length post on our docket here, so let’s get it going, eh?
Bryan: 3/5 I know this was meant to be the title track until he changed the title, but it’s not my idea of a great album opener. It's fine and all, just not a huge fan. The ai-yi-yi-yi chorus seems a misstep. I like "oh-oh-oh" ending, though. Brief as it is. Ai-yi-yi, oh-oh-oh, whatever it takes.
Bryant: I haven’t been fired and replaced with a robot yet?!? Surprising, but I appreciate the magnanimity!
Bryan: My magnanimity is second only to my modesty. It's common enough to see The River listed alongside Tusk, The Wall, Tommy, Physical Graffiti as one of the great all-time double albums in rock. I’m not sure if it tops my own personal list – you’ve got to get up pretty early to knock The White Album off its perch and I probably prefer at least a couple of the just-mentioned to The River – but what say you?
Bryant: I’m not terribly knowledgeable about Fleetwood Mac or The Who, but yeah, The Wall and the White Album both would get the nod over this for me. Not that it need be a competition. If it WAS, Dylan’s Blonde On Blonde might be my personal pick. The River is awfully good, though; you’re probably nuts if you don’t love all of these.
Bryan: Agreed. I noticed you deliberately did not italicize the White Album, which is undoubtedly correct, as it's only the colloquial name for The Beatles (1968). But, if anyone out there feels more comfortable italicizing it, don't let us stop you.
Bryant: We’ve got a double-album-length post on our docket here, so let’s get it going, eh?
DISC ONE
"The Ties That Bind"
Bryan: 3/5 I know this was meant to be the title track until he changed the title, but it’s not my idea of a great album opener. It's fine and all, just not a huge fan. The ai-yi-yi-yi chorus seems a misstep. I like "oh-oh-oh" ending, though. Brief as it is. Ai-yi-yi, oh-oh-oh, whatever it takes.
Bryant: 2.5/5 The thing I would say right off the
bat about this album is that it feels very much like a conscious effort NOT to
swing for the fences. It's almost as if Bruce
realized -- possibly correctly -- that there was really no topping Born to
Run and Darkness on the Edge of Town. Those
albums seem like the logical outcome of his talent applied
to his artistic trajectory. Where do you go from there? You kinda
have to go someplace else. The River is several someplace-elses all at once, and one of
those places is "fun-time rock-'n'-roll-land." Some of it sounds
a bit shallow and unessential to my ears, but that's only in comparison to
stuff like "Badlands," and THAT ain't no insult at all. So know
that what I'm saying is, a 2.5, for me, is an awfully good song. "The Ties That Bind" is an awfully good song.
Bryan: Several
someplace-elses at once with one of them fun rock-n-roll-land should be printed
on the back of this thing. That’s it exactly.
"Sherry Darling"
Bryant: 3.25/5 One of the most fun songs on this album, so therefore one of the most fun songs he ever wrote. I feel bad for that poor mother in the back seat, though.
Bryan: 3.75/5 One two three four! I like the chorus and the
lyrics, but the arrangement is kind of blah and the sax/ piano reminds me of end credits to a variety show or
something. (Note – repeat listenings over the past several weeks have greatly
enhanced my enjoyment of this one. Catch me on another day and I’ll give this
one a 4 or even a 4.1 Try and stop me, world!) Here's Southside Johnny and Asbury Jukes doing a very, uhh, loose take on it.
Bryan: 3/5 Not a bad version of this sort of tune in Springsteen's catalog but not one of my faves. It’d fit pretty well on Lucky Town, though – should’ve saved it for that one and picked one of the River outtakes from Tracks to take its place. ("Loose Ends" maybe? Would that alter the mood-to-ratio of The River? For the better, I say.)
Bryant: 2.75/5 This is one that I always kind of forget about, but when I listen to it, it always sounds better than I'd remembered. I can hear this one reworked a bit and fitting really well on either of the two preceding albums.
Bryant: 2/5 Not bad, but it doesn't do a whole lot for me.
Bryan: 3.5/5 I could see Tom Petty having a big hit with this. (Incidentally, I'd never heard the Precious Metal version, nor even of that band) He did his job (catchy little rock number expressing something everyone can relate to – certainly never an unremarkable feat) but not a particular fave.
Bryan: 5/5 One of my favorite representations of this sort of song in Bruce's catalog. That "Papa go to bed now" reminds me of some of the anecdotes from various Bruce bios of Doug Springsteen sitting in the kitchen of Bruce’s childhood home with the lights off and his cigarettes, staring at the wall, until someone could get him to go to bed.
"Jackson
Cage"
Bryan: 3/5 Not a bad version of this sort of tune in Springsteen's catalog but not one of my faves. It’d fit pretty well on Lucky Town, though – should’ve saved it for that one and picked one of the River outtakes from Tracks to take its place. ("Loose Ends" maybe? Would that alter the mood-to-ratio of The River? For the better, I say.)
Bryant: 2.75/5 This is one that I always kind of forget about, but when I listen to it, it always sounds better than I'd remembered. I can hear this one reworked a bit and fitting really well on either of the two preceding albums.
"Two
Hearts"
Bryant: 2/5 Not bad, but it doesn't do a whole lot for me.
Bryan: 3.5/5 I could see Tom Petty having a big hit with this. (Incidentally, I'd never heard the Precious Metal version, nor even of that band) He did his job (catchy little rock number expressing something everyone can relate to – certainly never an unremarkable feat) but not a particular fave.
"Independence Day"
Bryan: 5/5 One of my favorite representations of this sort of song in Bruce's catalog. That "Papa go to bed now" reminds me of some of the anecdotes from various Bruce bios of Doug Springsteen sitting in the kitchen of Bruce’s childhood home with the lights off and his cigarettes, staring at the wall, until someone could get him to go to bed.
Bryant: 5/5 I honestly don't know if this song had ever fully clicked for me until this listen. I never disliked it, but I don't think I ever really paid attention to it. If you DO pay attention to it, boy does it pack a wallop, especially following those first four goof-offs. But for me, I think that's a lot of what makes The River -- and, later, Born in the USA -- work: that mix of happiness and sadness. Both feed off each other; this is the work of a man who's come to realize that any normal life is going to have heaping helpings of both. The Bruce of the first four albums maybe hadn't quite figured that out; he was first getting it on Darkness, I think, but even then, the shock of it seemed so fresh that it came roaring out of him primally, vitally, as though he were convinced he could still change it if only he railed against it strongly enough. By The River, there's more of an acceptance. The characters -- which I think they mostly are (as opposed to manifestations of himself in a literal sense) -- of songs like "Independence Day" know there's no going back. This is simply what life is.
Bryan:
That mix of happiness and sadness, highs and lows, absolutely. Whatever its
cause – chemical imbalance, unresolved issues from his upbringing, or just a
sensitive eye for detail in not-always-so-sensitive circumstances, an
expression of the eternal yin and yang of life - it defines so much of the
pre-90s Bruce catalog.
And
speaking of:
Bryant: 6.5/5 The happiest sad song ever recorded? The saddest happy song ever recorded? It's one or the other. I got no words for how much I love this song. That's alright. Bruce has got 'em for me.
Bryan: 6.5/5 I added a half-point to my original score of 6 following your lead here. It certainly deserves it. I mean, what more can be said? Those first few couplets (“Got a wife and kids in Baltimore, Jack / I went out for a ride and I never went back. Like a river that don’t know where it’s flowing / I took a wrong turn and I just kept going”) flow so nicely into the chorus, where Bruce is almost in relationship/entropy-Yoda mode, dispensing hard-won wisdom that doesn’t exactly comfort, but certainly makes you nod your head in understanding. Just perfect. Instantly catapulted Bruce to a whole new level of songwriters. I’ve been singing this around the house so much (also "Glory Days") I'm starting to worry Dawn'll get the wrong idea. I think I'll always prefer the studio version, which I think is perfect, but there are some exceptional live ones out there, most especially this one. Crank that!
Bryant: 2.25/5 I don't dislike this one, but boy does it sound insignificant coming after "Hungry Heart." There are great live versions, of course, but what Bruce song is that not true of? Other, of course, than "Mary Queen of Arkansas"?
Bryan: 2.25/5 Meh. Too much with the drag racing, sometimes, with Bruce. I haven’t thought of The Heavenly Kid in years, but as a result of all this drag racing stuff I keep thinking about it. That was not an expected side effect of this project.
Bryan: 3.25/5 "My brain takes a vacation just to give my heart more room." Uncomplicated but fun. Would've been ideal for Kiss - hell, it even sounds like one of Gene's numbers.
Bryant: 3/5 I was so glad to see your comment about this sounding like a Gene Simmons song that I nearly shouted out loud. I've been saying that for years! And we're both right. This makes a certain amount of sense to me. They're from the same area and the same era, and Kiss was all about rock and roll basics, which is what a lot of The River is about. But vocally, I swear to God, I think Bruce was consciously doing a Gene here.
Bryan: I imagine he was going for the Stones, but the idea of his channeling Gene is too good to let that get in the way of anything.
Bryant: 3/5 Whereas, this, I hear this as more of a Peter song. Or maybe Paul. Paul would've had a blast with it, probably -- imagine the five-minute innuendo-laden rant he'd deliver beforehand!
Bryan: 3/5 Absolutely. My score for this one has bounced around like a pinball over all these listenings, but I think it’s settled into a solid 3.
Bryan: (3.5) Another one I wish he could’ve gotten to the Beach Boys for their particular harmony blend, though. Could’ve been one of their all-time big hits, actually. I wish I hadn’t thought of it, because now everytime I hear it I hear what might have been and it’s too bad.
Bryant: 3.25/5 This makes me think of a single mom I worked with at one point in time. Some other world, some other me ... hmm. Thoughts, thoughts, boy; I got plenty of thoughts. And if they were a song, they might sound a little bit like this.
Bryant: 5/5 I get hammered by this one just about every time. The kind of characters Bruce was singing about on his first few albums wouldn't even have realized that such a sentence as "Then I got Mary pregnant, and man, that was all she wrote" was even possible, much less the kicker about not even having a wedding dress or a walk down the aisle. When you're dreaming of such things as a younger person, they seem like givens; it isn't "if it happens," it's "when it happens." So finding out that it's far from given is a hell of a shock. And, so far as I can tell, it remains so for the rest of your days.
Bryan: 3.75/5 Hear, hear. I know it's practically heresy, but I've just never been as moved by this one as everyone else. I appreciate what you’re saying, and I know there’s an autobiographical element with Springsteen's sister and her husband and the whole escape-surroundings-directive and all. And I do very much appreciate the poetry and sensitivity of it, but it's just never one I’m dying to hear or feel any catharsis from doing so. Musically, tho, I like the way it builds and different voices and instruments join in, like tributaries rejoining the main, sad stream.
It's weird - if "The River" was just a random b-side, would I rate it higher? Probably. Why is that?
"Hungry Heart"
Bryant: 6.5/5 The happiest sad song ever recorded? The saddest happy song ever recorded? It's one or the other. I got no words for how much I love this song. That's alright. Bruce has got 'em for me.
Bryan: 6.5/5 I added a half-point to my original score of 6 following your lead here. It certainly deserves it. I mean, what more can be said? Those first few couplets (“Got a wife and kids in Baltimore, Jack / I went out for a ride and I never went back. Like a river that don’t know where it’s flowing / I took a wrong turn and I just kept going”) flow so nicely into the chorus, where Bruce is almost in relationship/entropy-Yoda mode, dispensing hard-won wisdom that doesn’t exactly comfort, but certainly makes you nod your head in understanding. Just perfect. Instantly catapulted Bruce to a whole new level of songwriters. I’ve been singing this around the house so much (also "Glory Days") I'm starting to worry Dawn'll get the wrong idea. I think I'll always prefer the studio version, which I think is perfect, but there are some exceptional live ones out there, most especially this one. Crank that!
"Out in the Street"
Bryant: 2.25/5 I don't dislike this one, but boy does it sound insignificant coming after "Hungry Heart." There are great live versions, of course, but what Bruce song is that not true of? Other, of course, than "Mary Queen of Arkansas"?
Bryan: 2.25/5 Meh. Too much with the drag racing, sometimes, with Bruce. I haven’t thought of The Heavenly Kid in years, but as a result of all this drag racing stuff I keep thinking about it. That was not an expected side effect of this project.
Bryan: 3.25/5 "My brain takes a vacation just to give my heart more room." Uncomplicated but fun. Would've been ideal for Kiss - hell, it even sounds like one of Gene's numbers.
Bryant: 3/5 I was so glad to see your comment about this sounding like a Gene Simmons song that I nearly shouted out loud. I've been saying that for years! And we're both right. This makes a certain amount of sense to me. They're from the same area and the same era, and Kiss was all about rock and roll basics, which is what a lot of The River is about. But vocally, I swear to God, I think Bruce was consciously doing a Gene here.
Bryan: I imagine he was going for the Stones, but the idea of his channeling Gene is too good to let that get in the way of anything.
"You
Can Look (But You Better Not Touch)"
Bryant: 3/5 Whereas, this, I hear this as more of a Peter song. Or maybe Paul. Paul would've had a blast with it, probably -- imagine the five-minute innuendo-laden rant he'd deliver beforehand!
Bryan: 3/5 Absolutely. My score for this one has bounced around like a pinball over all these listenings, but I think it’s settled into a solid 3.
"I Wanna Marry You"
Bryan: (3.5) Another one I wish he could’ve gotten to the Beach Boys for their particular harmony blend, though. Could’ve been one of their all-time big hits, actually. I wish I hadn’t thought of it, because now everytime I hear it I hear what might have been and it’s too bad.
Bryant: 3.25/5 This makes me think of a single mom I worked with at one point in time. Some other world, some other me ... hmm. Thoughts, thoughts, boy; I got plenty of thoughts. And if they were a song, they might sound a little bit like this.
"The River"
Bryant: 5/5 I get hammered by this one just about every time. The kind of characters Bruce was singing about on his first few albums wouldn't even have realized that such a sentence as "Then I got Mary pregnant, and man, that was all she wrote" was even possible, much less the kicker about not even having a wedding dress or a walk down the aisle. When you're dreaming of such things as a younger person, they seem like givens; it isn't "if it happens," it's "when it happens." So finding out that it's far from given is a hell of a shock. And, so far as I can tell, it remains so for the rest of your days.
Bryan: 3.75/5 Hear, hear. I know it's practically heresy, but I've just never been as moved by this one as everyone else. I appreciate what you’re saying, and I know there’s an autobiographical element with Springsteen's sister and her husband and the whole escape-surroundings-directive and all. And I do very much appreciate the poetry and sensitivity of it, but it's just never one I’m dying to hear or feel any catharsis from doing so. Musically, tho, I like the way it builds and different voices and instruments join in, like tributaries rejoining the main, sad stream.
It's weird - if "The River" was just a random b-side, would I rate it higher? Probably. Why is that?
DISC TWO
"Point
Blank"
Bryant: 3.25/5 I fancy I hear the beginnings of Tunnel
of Love on this song. Add some synth, and it's not far off.
Bryan:
3/5 Now that you point it out, I agree completely. Here's one I originally scored much higher, but repeat listenings kind of kept kicking it down. It’s not bad, but it’s no:
Bryan:
4.75/5 Pretty cheeky starting the 2nd album off with "Point Blank" and not this one. It works, I guess - Springsteen
/ Landau/ Van Zandt clearly had a good grasp on album side order and how to
distribute/ scatter the tunes. A signpost, if not the connecting hub, to a little further down the road to "Darlington
County."
Bryant: 5/5 I'm giving this one the full
five. I saw Springsteen in Birmingham in 2002 (I think), and he played
this. The roof of the
auditorium was blown off and landed two counties over, mysteriously still in
one piece. Work crews were eventually able to fix it back in place, but
it was touch and go, apparently.
Bryan:
I realize it’s almost certainly me reading into things but here’s another one I
just see casting a spotlight across King’s unconscious. It’s not a great story,
but I can’t help wonder if some of the ideas/ energy in this song ended up in
stuff like “You Know They Got a Hell of a Band.” Like you’ve said elsewhere,
knowing King has been a huge Springsteen fan since the early days – and a
general rags to riches trajectory and political sensibility - makes it tempting
to find parallels.
Speaking
of, I think the Wiggles re-arranged this and slowed it down as
"Dorothy the Dinosaur."
There's some amazingly fun choreography going on in this 7-minute long version from Paris 1985. That hyperlink should be cued up to it but apologies if it not - it's at/around the 3:20 mark.
Bryan: 4.25/5 I’m a sucker for songs like this. On the face of it, a ridiculous statement, even more absurdly put across. And yet, it's actually truth, like hey that’s my job, folks. And this is how it sounds! It always amuses me. It'd be fun to do a blog of all the songs named "I'm a Rocker." I can only think of the Judas Priest and Thin Lizzy ones, aside from this, but I bet there are plenty more. Way more if we expand it to any song that has as its title a pronoun-subject/verb-rock-any-tense. ("We Rock," "I Wanna Rock," "Let's Get Rocked," etc. Hell this should be an entire blog of its own, not just a post: Songs About Rockin'. An inexhaustible mine.)
There's some amazingly fun choreography going on in this 7-minute long version from Paris 1985. That hyperlink should be cued up to it but apologies if it not - it's at/around the 3:20 mark.
"I'm
a Rocker"
Bryan: 4.25/5 I’m a sucker for songs like this. On the face of it, a ridiculous statement, even more absurdly put across. And yet, it's actually truth, like hey that’s my job, folks. And this is how it sounds! It always amuses me. It'd be fun to do a blog of all the songs named "I'm a Rocker." I can only think of the Judas Priest and Thin Lizzy ones, aside from this, but I bet there are plenty more. Way more if we expand it to any song that has as its title a pronoun-subject/verb-rock-any-tense. ("We Rock," "I Wanna Rock," "Let's Get Rocked," etc. Hell this should be an entire blog of its own, not just a post: Songs About Rockin'. An inexhaustible mine.)
Bryant: 2.5/5 Absolutely, including the
paragon of the subgenre, Falco’s "Rock Me Amadeus." I leave it to you to decide whether I’m
serious about that. Back to the Boss, this
has always been one of the album's lesser songs, in my
eyes. It's fine, though, just not one I gravitate to.
Bryan: I like Bruce's clowning around at the beginning of this version from 2002. Another of those songs he wrote in the 70s that he never seemed to play back then but started popping up in the 21st century.
Bryan: I like Bruce's clowning around at the beginning of this version from 2002. Another of those songs he wrote in the 70s that he never seemed to play back then but started popping up in the 21st century.
"Fade
Away"
Bryan:
4.25/5 Showcases the Bruce/ Van Zandt
unique vocal alchemy pretty well.
Bryant:
Honestly, what could some other man do to a woman that Bruce couldn't?
I'm offended by the very notion on his behalf. Oh
yeah, I gotta score this, don't I? 3/5 I like it, but it's
not on my list of essentials.
Bryan: That outro is so good, though! In the eternal game of redistributing Bruce’s songs to other artists, Noel Gallagher would’ve (maybe still would – his voice is holding up all right) done well with this one. (And maybe he did, kind of, at the end of "Sad Song?" Noel was all about studying the songwriting greats, so it would only make sense if a lot of Bruce-homework got into some of that homework along with everyone else.)
Bryan: That outro is so good, though! In the eternal game of redistributing Bruce’s songs to other artists, Noel Gallagher would’ve (maybe still would – his voice is holding up all right) done well with this one. (And maybe he did, kind of, at the end of "Sad Song?" Noel was all about studying the songwriting greats, so it would only make sense if a lot of Bruce-homework got into some of that homework along with everyone else.)
"Stolen
Car"
Bryant: 3.75/5 Hey, looky there; Nebraska
was just born! Brutally sad, but usefully so.
Bryan:
4/5 Another pained lament, and some of his simplest, most direct lyrics of
love gone to ruin but the bodies still live. A sad one.
Great tune but not my favorite sort of thing. It'd be perfect for the right sequence of a film, though. My points here are what I
think the song is worth; my own personal level of
enjoyment would be more a 4.
"Ramrod"
Bryan:
3.5/5 I mean, nothing special I guess, just traditional rock and roll. I've
got zero problems with that. Weird they chose "Fade Away" as the 2nd single from this record and not this one or "I'm a
Rocker." Now: picture this (once again) done by the
Beach Boys with Mike Love singing - same song, same approach. What would your
rating be? (Mine'd drop considerably.) The power of
Bruce! But also, equally, of the E Street Band. This
isn't a dis to the BBs, just properly evaluating the value these guys brought to the rock
and roll game. Here's a version from The River tour that rocks.
Bryant: 2/5 It absolutely rocks, but this is my least favorite song on the album. I never skip it or anything, but I'm kind of
glad when it's over.
"The
Price You Pay"
Bryant:
3/5 Another one that is part of the Nebraska
origin story. I'd love to hear it done in that vein, but it works
really well here, too, obviously. [Say, I
think you forgot to score this one!]
Bryan:
2/5 I only really like the sax solo. Don't like the "heart and soul" anguish or whatever he's doing
round the 6 minute mark. Or much else. The
lyrics are good - it's not a bad exploration of this emotion/ type of song. It
works better as accompaniment for something in a movie maybe. I can totally understand why anyone would dig it, but for the same vibe I'd rather just listen to "Backstreets."
Bryant: 3/5 I like it quite a bit more than you do, but I totally agree
that he needed to go in a different direction with some of it. It still
works for me as a whole, though.
Bryan:
4/5 Love this one. For me, this is the pointer-of-the-way to not just Nebraska but to all the country-Bruce to follow, almost as much as if it were a sneak preview of the 80s. "Bruce Springsteen Will Return In..." Perfect end to the
record.
Bryant: 3.75/5 Definitely great, but
not a personal favorite for me. I agree that it's a wonderful
album-closer, though. I wonder if people took it that way when it came
out? I bet a few fans were a little worried about the
direction it was pointing.
FINAL
THOUGHTS
Bryan: Total 74.25
Avg: 3.71 In many ways the pivotal album of the catalog, the one that harnessed the momentum and careful step-by-step placement of the first four and set the stage for everything that came after.
Bryant: Total
67.75 total, 3.39 average I'm a good bit lower than you on this
one. Don't get me wrong, though; I love it. Sure, it's not "as
good" as the previous two albums; but I don't think
it was designed to be. I think it was designed NOT to be. Either
way, it's crammed full of great songs.
~
THE RIVER
was produced by Jon Landau, Steven Van Zandt, and Bruce Springsteen
and featured
Bruce Springsteen
– lead vocals, lead guitar, harmonica
Roy Bittan –
piano, backing vocals
Clarence Clemons –
saxophone, backing vocals
Danny Federici –
organ, glockenspiel
Garry Tallent –
bass guitar
Steve Van Zandt –
rhythm guitar, backing vocals
Max Weinberg –
drums
Flo and Eddie –
backing vocals on "Hungry Heart"